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Post subject: Software- collaboration suggestion
 Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 07:44 PM
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Hi there!
I'm an enthusiastic user of Parsix and Linux Mint. Although I am a Psychologist with little knowledge of Gnu/Linux fundamentals, I wonder if there could be an easy way to install software in Parsix as with Linux Mint with their software portal. http://linuxmint.com/software/
One might say that every piece of software that that portal has can be installed on Parsix. But, I'm thinking on improving the usability of Parsix.
Don't know if this is possible but as Adidas says: "Impossible is nothing" hehehe
Sorry that I can't much help due to the lack of my Gnu/Linux knowledge but at least here's a suggestion. 
What do you guys think? And you Alan?
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Post subject: RE: Software- collaboration suggestion
Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 10:53 PM
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What kind of Linux is Linux Mint? I have maybe tried it a long time ago using only LiveCD, not installed it. Was the point with Mint that it has media codecs preinstalled (I have installed codecs with apt-get on Parsix), or how it is different from Parsix?
It looks to me as that Linux Mint webinstall software is something similar like:
- FreeSpire CNR, that also has client for Ubuntu-derived distros and Linspire but not others like Debian etc.
- OpenSuse's one click install.
Some questions:
- How can everything be kept up to date in that kind of website? Is there team that is maintaining that site, or one person? Does it take a lot of time to maintain categories etc, where do categories come from? Debian has huge number of packages.
- Is it possible to install multiple packages at the same time?
- Is Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu packages? Mixing more of the Ubuntu libraries with Parsix/Debian may make system unstable and only fix for that is reinstalling Parsix.
- Is the code for that web installer available somewhere, and docs how it works (or commented well so the working is obvious)? It depends on the code and docs how complex it would be to use with different distro. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 05:09 AM
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Warning most Mint/Ubuntu software is not COMPATIBLE with Debian/Parsix or any other debian Alternative and can break your system
It is basically selected from the repros like Ubuntus/debian add remove software, which is available for mint and can be found using synaptic under Gnome but with their own scripts, and no where as fast and suffers the same fate of getting out of date very fast. The best place for Mint/Ubuntu is http://www.getdeb.net/. Just a couple of clicks and its installed, but they only maintains software up-to date on the current release. After the bust up with Automatix Ubuntu maintain their own Getdeb. One word of warning a lot of the software from Getdeb is modified for Ubuntu/Mint, etc and is not compatible with Debian/Parsix etc and can break your system. Also Ubuntu is drawing away from Debian by modifying its code so that it will eventually be a distro in its own right using its own Deb packaging system, This could be a bad in the long-run as a lot of people believe that Ubuntu is just a leach on Sid and does not give anything back to Debian |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 07:12 AM
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This could be a bad in the long-run as a lot of people believe that Ubuntu is just a leach on Sid and does not give anything back to Debian
Fedora isn't debian based, but it still contributes to the linux community, so does most other non debian based distros. In their own way of course.
Debian is, and always was very well, long before ubuntu even existed, so, no worries.
Ah, the negativity! It's killing us from inside... :\ |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 08:08 AM
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Also Ubuntu is drawing away from Debian by modifying its code so that it will eventually be a distro in its own right using its own Deb packaging system
What do you mean "is"? Ubuntu has already become incompatible with Debian. While it is true that it can still run many Debian packages, the reverse isn't true. Since 100% binary compatibility is lost, Ubuntu can no longer call itself Debian. The fact that so many new distributions use Ubuntu as its base indicates that Ubuntu has indeed become a distribution in its own right. What's sad is that Ubuntu's development community doesn't contribute as much back to Debian as it takes. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 10:12 AM
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Hey trolls and flamewars here lately? Did you get that impression from Slashdot or random blog?
Ubuntu contributes to Debian, as said in the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian
Ubuntu does a lot of good for Linux, and it works great for many people.
I use some packages, for example Truecrypt, where Truecrypt website download page says it's for Ubuntu, but it works fine with Parsix. That is single package, and does not install Ubuntu libraries.
When reading a flamewar from the Internet, it has to be taken with grain of salt. Every OS and disto has bugs etc, and every OS has advanced a lot in a couple of years.
Actually now is the great time, because Linux discussion has progressed from "most hardware does not work" to "what's your favorite desktop theme".
Hmm, way to go offtopic. I just did a friendly answer to another Linux enthusiast with some questions about webbased installer. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 10:25 AM
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cmost
I was only tring to put it politly, Their is a big misconception that Parsix is a Ubuntu clone. Some things do run on both Debian/and Ubuntu,but unless you know what you are doing you can break things or at the least cause other programs and the system to slowdown, Parsix as far as I am aware only ports the program for setting up graphic cards from Ubuntu, but people think its Ubuntu.
Pelle.K
Fedora is red hat testing as with testing and Sid from Debian of course it puts lots into Linux that what testing is about, Ubuntu on the other hand takes from sid testing and modifies it so it is completly useless to any body else in 6 month intervals. The main problem is lots of it does not work but unlike other Distros once released developement is stopped, its move on. It took Ubuntu 12 months to get xsane to work 12months to reconise and mount external hdrives and they still have trouble with hardy. Graphic card drivers are a nightmare in hardy 2 min job on most Distros. I use sidux its a rolling release its made very stable by a good team of devs and a guy that writes amazing scripts. most answers for Debian can be found on the Sidux site because they find solutions as does Alan with Parsix |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 12:00 PM
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I read, "takes from", "completely useless", "problem", "does not work", "trouble with hardy" and "are a nightmare". Hmm. grumpy mandog?! 
BTW, "Grumpy Groundhog" is a planned Ubuntu permanently unstable version. Much like sid, actually. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 01:57 PM
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pelle.k:
Sure, grumpiness is fine, when it's based on own experiences I had some problems with Ubuntu too. It's not fine when:
- it's based on something incorrect like Ubuntu doesn't contribute to Debian.
- it's making somebody sad.
mandog:
Thanks for mentioning Sidux, there's some months from my previous try. I tried current version and I'm very impressed.
Many things worked very well:
- I added to boot command line "lang=fi" and it loaded Finnish keyboard settings.
- My eSATA PCMCIA card and external SATA harddrive worked well
- sound works, I tried playing MP3 in Kaffeine, playing AVI in Avidemux, and calling with Skype at the same time, and it worked. Webcam in Skype worked.
- I could install software while running LiveCD, and menus were automatically updated. I installed Avidemux (from debian-multimedia), Skype (from Skype debian repo), keepassx, VirtualBox-OSE
- it used Finnish Debian repos automatically
- I could resume downloading after interrupted download in Konqueror
- It worked fast, like Parsix Gnome.
There was very few small things that was missing, not really anything to complain about:
- On right click menu there's not "Extract here" like in Gnome, but extracting files works fine with Ark
- Screen refresh rate was 75 Hz and there was not option in Control Center for 100 Hz, but sure I could edit xorg.cong to change that manually
- I tried VMware 2.0 Server Beta but maybe it needed real install to hard disk to work because there were errors starting it. Has somebody else tried it with Sidux? |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 03:36 PM
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| Come on guys flame wars and Trolls, Thats a bit of the mark,Calling people names should have been left in the classroom thats classed as bullying in some countries? I used Ubuntu for a long time from Dapper upto and inluding Gutsy and made over 1600 posts on the forum some were how 2s and only asked for help once. The fact is Ubuntu is a victim of its own making. I ask questions on this forum so that they may help others seeing people are not doing any how 2s. at the moment. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 04:27 PM
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Calling people names should have been left in the classroom thats classed as bullying in some countries?
If i made you feel bad in any way i apologize. I didn't mean it like i'm superior in any way, i was hoping to laugh with you, not at you. I don't like bullying either. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 05:26 PM
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| It did not bother me but could give the wrong impression to other people reading it thats all. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 07:37 PM
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| @xet7. Where in my post did you read that "Ubuntu doesn't contribute to Debian?" I never said that, you did. What I said was, Ubuntu doesn't contribute as much back to Debian as it takes. Please, prove me wrong. Nothing I wrote is incorrect or meant to start a flame war. However, with you throwing around words like "troll" or "flamewar" itself is incendiary to inciting just that. Grow up please. Everyone here knows that everyone has his or her favorite distribution which he or she will defend vehemently. Can we all agree to disagree on which distribution is the best and respect each others opinions, even if to the contrary of our own? Please? We're all Parsix users now and I think that's great. Let's make THIS distribution the best one. Finally, as sad as it might be, I think it's fairly common knowledge to anyone who has a pulse and who has been involved with the Linux community to any degree that to criticize Ubuntu is to be ripped to shreds by its fanboys. Once again, if you disagree I implore you to prove me wrong. I see this behavior all the time on many, many different communities (e.g., Digg, OSnews, Slashdot, and even in the Ubuntu forums.) I think it's nice that Ubuntu fans are so in love with their OS of choice but it's really sad when they can't take constructive criticism. Regardless, the Parsix community doesn't have to be that way. In short, this type of argumentative, destructive thread is nothing new and I think it should be closed now by the moderator of this forum. |
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Posted: Jul 08, 2008 - 09:50 PM
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cmost, and others:
Hmm, this is getting complex with all the misunderstandings, mine and others. I'll try to figure it out:
- I use Parsix, and I do not have anything against any Linux or other OS.
- I support constructive criticism.
- I respect other's opinions.
- Although Parsix/Sidux/etc works with my hardware, others have success with other distros.
- I had problems with Ubuntu install, but others may not have had at all, or find fixes that I have not found.
- I can misread things for sure, even though I'll try to figure things out and check more that once. I misread about Ubuntu's contributions to Debian.
I don't think this is destructive thread, or that somebody in this thread was really trying to say something non-friendly. I could try saying sorry, if I was trying to say something non-friendly, but I'm really not trying to say anything non-friedly. Another reason may be that English is not everybody's native language, like it's not mine. We are all happy using Linux.
Sure this may look to some reader that this is some kind of typical flamewar that can be seen on some other forums, but it's not that. It's easy to misunderstand and misread, as happened to me. I can try to make some balanced comment if something looks like a flamewar, but hey, that can go wrong too
(... hoping that I figured it out correctly ...) |
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Posted: Jul 09, 2008 - 01:57 AM
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You can install any soft ware on Linux or Unix, as long as you have the BINARY code!
But unfortunately you have to be expert in the business, and know the operating system and C language at least! if you had experience with UNIX that can be helpful.
A program can be installed without major disaster or hassles if its dependencies are already there and have been installed other wise it may require to install few other programs to install as dependencies or prerequisites etc, they can be from 1 to 10, and that can be daunting!
I never have tried Parsix , but do wish the guys the best and hope the Iranian Ministry of Education will have the foresight to sponsor or encourage it as an alternative to Windows.
One question to ask; can the word process on the Parsix do check spell for the Persian language ? |
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