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pelle.k
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 Posted: Jul 06, 2008 - 11:28 PM
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- No Finnish language in boot menu
- "LiveCD" does not start to X, like with Gnome or other desktop environment.
- It pauses on USB devices on bootup for some time, much slower that Parsix
- Smaller software selection than Parsix/Debian
So this is like, do much work to get most things working.
On the plus side, in the grub menu is Space Invaders.
Big wiki? Big forum? Talk about information overload. I need something small, simple, and fast.
Most arch users would argue that arch is *just* that; small, simple and fast. There's a big difference between easy and simple. By definition actually.
However, the point of arch linux is that there *is* no stock settings. No default DE. Things ran the way they did because you didn't take the time to adjust the settings the way you like it. There's also the AUR if you feel the repos are lacking.
Point taken though. You didn't like it  |
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xet7
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 10:56 AM
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Ok, then it's small, easy and fast
Selecting an OS depends for what use it is. I think every OS needs to continue making their disto better, because every OS is needed. With Linux, it so much still depends on hardware which disto works best.
Current OS challenges can be seen on Slashdot article:
- Intel Says to Prepare For "Thousands of Cores"
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ... 02/1833221
From what someone reads from some blogs, forums or maistream news, one may have some wrong conclusions that:
- Vista is bloated, not much have changed, it's in need of a rewrite, and it's based on DOS
- Mac is the hottest OS currently, and everyone likes it
- Linux is hard to use, not ready for desktop, and not much in use.
Vista:
- It's not based on DOS, that ended when NT came. The reason someone thinks that it's not changed much is that it's not visible. Many subsystems have been modularized, lots of code rewritten multiple times, and there is server core that has only command line interface. Some more about this in Windows Weekly podcast:
http://twit.tv/ww66
- Most complaits about Vista is running it on older or less capable hardware. If it's running slow, you can make it faster with programs like fixit utilities:
http://www.avanquest.com/UK/launch-offe ... _NEWS_0608
- If you can't delete some file from desktop or elsewhere, use KillBox for it:
http://www.killbox.net
- If UAC prompts annoy you, you can disable them, although after some time using computer there will be less prompts, and disabling UAC may make it less secure:
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
Mac:
- some may think MacOS is great for Open Source coders, but:
-- it's hard to get latest Java and some other stuff working
-- there have been many platform changes, like switching to Intel, stopping MacOS Classic support, PowerPC support will be dropped in 10.6
http://mac.blorge.com/2008/06/04/apple- ... c-osx-106/
-- After dropping PowerPC support, options for those are to continue last PowerPC supported MacOSX (no security patches though), or switch to Linux.
-- all this means lots of changes, and rewriting code (sure some cross-platform code works as always). On the plus side, theres not much need for lots of compatibility code like in Windows, because old code is dropped away quite often.
- it's very advanced OS with many features sure.
Linux:
- Linux kernel is fastest moving software project, and it supports more hardware than any other OS, as seen in following video link. I just hope Mac and Windows have some chance to keep up:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0386548257
- Most supercomputers in the world use Linux, as seen in webpage list:
http://www.top500.org/stats/list/31/osfam
- There is also FLOSS weekly podcast about clusters:
http://twit.tv/floss30
- Many small portable computers are coming to market with Linux, like Ubuntu netbooks:
http://www.canonical.com/netbooks
(there have been some portable computers that have WinXP available, but it's not as fast and power efficient as Linux. I do not know of such a Mac with a real keyboard and small screen.)
- Lots of other software is coming available to Linux
- For my purposes, Parsix Linux is more easily used and updated than Windows
I'm not saying I don't like Arch, I have nothing against it or any OS, I just need a different kind of distro. Every computer user has a favorite OS, desktop theme and background image. And every programmer has a favorite programming language.
I would select different disto or OS if I had different needs:
1. Parsix
- Installs most things automatically, and gets me continue working right away. I need pre-selected working set of default applications installing quickly, do my work, and use my free time contribute Open Source code in different languages, and contribute to Parsix Wiki and Forum.
- With Parsix, usually I can pretty easily figure things out and fix it myself, or Alan can fix it. Sure, if I really need something and there is no replacement, I can use more time to read the source and make changes to fix it, if the code is not hopelessly messed up.
- I have so much programs working so easily, Parsix is the best Linux that I have used.
2. Arch
- if I had more time to compile and install things to get all working. You can see from wiki size etc that there are lots of happy users.
3. OpenSuse
- if I was doing Mono / .Net / VB.NET development
4. Puppy Linux
- When I rescue files, or have old PC with limited resources
5. Knoppix
- I have used it sometimes, but now I use Puppy Linux
6. CentOS
- I have read that it's excellent server distro
7. Mac OS X
- If I was working on newspaper, or needed some other apps that are available only for it. If I need to support that platform with my code, I may buy a Mac sometime.
8. Vista
- It has many more features that XP, and there are some 64bit programs that are only available for Vista X64. If I needed to support that platform, and I could not use VirtualBox or VMware to test it, then I would need to buy Vista X64 PC.
I try to make most of my code cross platform, and Open Source the ones that I can. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 01:39 PM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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xet7
Nice to know someone else feels the same about Parsix, for me it just works. |
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 01:40 PM
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Joined: Feb 23, 2008
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Personally, i think many linux distros just push out new releases, new technology, way too fast. If there was more open source applications available for OSX, would use that. Seriously.
I don't care it costs money, and it's closed source. See, every *single* time i install a new distro i keep hitting new bugs, to the point that i'm almost giving up. I do report bugs when i'm serious with a distro, but it's always like i report 10 bugs, 1 gets fixed, 1 is confirmed and 8 is uncomfirmed. bleh.
Debian stable is nice, however they do the exact opposite of what the rest of the distros do. You may die of old age before they release. Oh, but they've got the latest gtk1!  |
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xet7
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Posted: Jul 07, 2008 - 03:17 PM
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Joined: Feb 20, 2008
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For me it's not about money. I have bought hardware and commercial closed source software that works with Linux. I have nothing against closed source, IF the vendor is responsive to bug fix requests, and software works correctly. I nearly daily check when will Bluesoleil bluetooth software come available for buying, so that I can listen podcasts with my Jabra BT620s Bluetooth headset. Currently I'm using mobile phone as Bluetooth MP3 player. With Bluesoleil then:
- I don't need to transfer MP3:s to mobile phone with memory card
- I can speak with Skype with friend without wires, even when I need to go get something that's not near the computer
- I can listen video, OGG, any format - I'm not sure if my mobile phone supports OGG.
- I get good sound quality, that I can't get with BlueZ.
I know it's coming, they just have not released Debian version files yet, there's only eeePC customized version now available:
http://www.bluesoleil.com/products/inde ... oleillinux
It's only problem with closed source is when I'd like to use it, I have some little problem with it, vendor does not fix it, and I can't fix it because I don't have the source. I have been in that situation. The only alternative is to try to find other solution, that maybe isn't such a perfect fit for a problem.
I support Open Source and Linux with my money and my time. I have AMD Sempron laptop with 1GB RAM. Where is MacOS X for my hardware? Where is Vista version that works fast with my hardware? Any OS that's as fast as Parsix?
My hardware works much better in Parsix than in Windows. |
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molom
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 03:11 AM
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Joined: Jul 05, 2008
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When it comes to Linux there are a few things that I like about it:
- Many to choose from
- Its free (Truely, I'm sure you guys prefer paying nothing when you have more than three computers that need to be upgraded with software and the OS itself)
- Far stabler than Windows
- Doesn't slow down compared to Windows when installing/removing software
- Especially flexibility (Panels, DE's, WM's etc.)
But there is one thing I don't like and that is an OS not being user friendly. Sure some people do enjoy or want to know Arch and Gentoo, but some people don't want to spend all the time learning how to edit txt files to configure setting like arch or taking the time to install an OS's from scratch (Eg. Debian or others where you select your packages).
You have these Linux fanatics complaining about 'People have to learn more about Linux, you need to learn sudo and blah, blah, blah', people have other things they want to learn about that are easier for people or are more useful. I'll rather put time into learning web design than learning how to configure my settings using arch with txt files.
Thats why I chose Parsix, not as friendly as ubuntu (Some may consider, like me  ), but people who are used to computers can get around it, I'm not one of those people that need a Mac. Parsix is faster and stabler, and I would choose that over a bit of user friendliness. Parsix is great, and I suggested some of these things to make it less time consuming and friendlier for some people, but it seems like some people don't seek that user friendliness here, and thats great!
Different people seek different things.
@cmost
Why make a how-to? I don't see the harm in implementing that by default for anyone in the next release, I don't think it will irritate or make parsix unstable. But if there is a reason, I'll look into it |
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molom
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 03:13 AM
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@xet7
I can't stand hiding panels, its not me. It was useful though when trying to hide your games from teachers though |
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 04:48 AM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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| I personally Think Parsix is easier than most distros, Its very main stream aimed at people that want a system that works. Nvidia/Ati driver auto setup while installing would be a large asset and attract more users. Or even a script to set up graphic cards like Sidux/Dreamlinux. I can't comment on wireless, but I always forget to configure my network connection till I go to use the net. a miner irritation. |
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molom
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 05:58 AM
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The thing I find important about having many users, is that developers can kick in. Its possible for Alan to have other commitments sooner or later and if he drops the project and there are many users or developers, there won't be anyone that would want to take over the project. Alan probably won't leave the project, but there is the possibility. Look at how mepis has completely went downslope after the main developer dropping. More users = more commitment
Btw good points mandog |
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 06:22 AM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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Molam
You are so right Parsix needs more people to get involved, people need to donate to the project not only money but time, Users need to promote Parsix to others, how many people read the last review of Parsix and how many wrote a comment let alone a positive one. Parsix is a great distro one of the best in my opinion. but to become more popular it needs promoting by all users. And more importantly commitment. Clem answers every review for Mint Personally, Mark Shuttleworth promotes Ubuntu at every opportunity, The Pclinux community and very aggressive with their support for their distro. Dreamliux a new boy on the block so to speak Email all their members new or old to any improvements. The Parsix community needs to do work together get the word out. (But then i'm just a grumpy man!(lol) |
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molom
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Posted: Jul 10, 2008 - 06:54 AM
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| Thats very true mandog, maybe Parsix could have a team that covers all these things in a very general way. Example, someone can officially answer reviews personally, one can manage artwork, another can manage support (aggressively ) and someone can seek advice from every members and brainstorm. But this needs to be tackled slowly, because we need a bigger community to be able to grab huge attention. |
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