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Post subject: Parsix 1.5 Test - Comments
 Posted: May 18, 2008 - 06:31 PM
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Hi there,
Parsix is a very impressive distro. Just a few questions and comments.... I recently downloaded and tested parsix_1.5r0-test-1. I imagine some of these things may be addressed in test-2, but I can't download it yet.
1. Could you explain how the TuxOnIce system works compared to the system that Ubuntu uses? The current state of suspend and hibernate in Linux is really confusing, there are so many conflicting systems, I don't really understand what Ubuntu uses and what Parsix/Debian uses. I see that TuxOnIce is somehow related to the suspend-to-ram system, although it appears to be primarily for suspend-to-disk. But what about the pm-utils and acpi packages? How do these come into play? How does all this integrate with gnome-power-manager when it is being used? And what about all the scripts that run upon suspend or resume? Would there be a way to make TuxOnIce use the pm-utils scripts, since many other packages and programs automatically integrate scripts into the pm-utils suspend.d and resume.d to make things work after resuming. One notable example is NetworkManager. As it is, if the user installs NetworkManager after installing Pardus, he has to hack the TuxOnIce configuration file to make it resume the NetworkManager connection after resume. However, this works automatically with pm-utils.
2. Have you thought about providing a roaming WiFI connection utility like NetworkManager or http://wicd.sf.net ? I think this is extremely important for the regular user.
3. Could you include the firmware by default for the b43 driver? The b43-fwcutter package is currently necessary to make it work. Notice that this is not the same driver as the bcm43xx, for which you are currently including firmware. By the way, I would recommend ndisgtk for installing ndiswrapper drivers, it works better than the Kanotix utility.
4. Could you use the official OpenOffice 2.4.0 debs from http://openoffice.org instead of the Debian build? The Debian and Ubuntu builds always have major problems, which the official build does not have. For example I have an ODF spreadsheet that doesn't display well on Debian's OOo 2.4.0, but displays perfectly on the generic build from openoffice.org.
5. It seems some of the System->Administration tools are usable by a regular user? For example, currently Shared Folders and Time and Date and Services settings can be changed without logging in as root.
6. Could you include an easy utility to switch between the Debian root user authentication setup and Ubuntu's sudo administration setup? I personally prefer sudo.
7. What is a recommended sources.list for users who want to keep Gnome and the Kernel stable, but who want to use the most up to date version of other programs like Gaim, Gimp, and Iceweasel?
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Post subject: RE: Parsix 1.5 Test - Comments
Posted: May 19, 2008 - 09:46 AM
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| 7. Viola is the testing repo. Ramon is the stable one. |
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Post subject: RE: Parsix 1.5 Test - Comments
Posted: May 19, 2008 - 10:11 AM
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1) pm-utils support several back ends including TuxOnIce.
2) I'm thinking of wifi-radar
3) OK. |
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Post subject: RE: Parsix 1.5 Test - Comments
Posted: May 19, 2008 - 11:26 AM
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Thanks for the replies! I'd still be curious to know about $4 - #6 ....
Back to #1: How can pm-utils be configured to support TuxOnIce? And any idea what backend Ubuntu uses? I ask because Ubuntu generally seems to have the best suspend/resume support. However Parsix on my system suspends/hibernates as well as Ubuntu, and TuxOnIce has some nice advantages. It's just that when your users install different programs and drivers that need special handling during suspend / resume, it seems that they're not supported by TuxOnIce. It would be good to somehow integrate TuxOnIce for the users so it automatically handles 3rd party packages that are made to integrate with pm-utils.
#7: How often is Viola synced with Debian testing? What if I want to keep my kernel and CUPS and Gnome stable, but use testing versions of certain programs like Pidgin?
Thanks again for the distro! |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 11:40 AM
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4. On my case I use debian version, because Finnish spelling check and hyphenation voikko depends on it. I have also installed newest OpenOffice 3.0 beta from:
http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/Op ... el/DEV300/
When I installed it, I had to install core packages and some other first with "dpkg -i package.deb" and then others somehow (I don't remember correct order) but it installed fine. Then I made shortcut to desktop with this command:
/opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice
- so I can use it sometime if I'd like.
5. Sure, if you want to use admin tools without passwords you can add the tool to sudoers file, see for example how I did it with Truecrypt:
http://lauri.ojansivu.googlepages.com/p ... #TrueCrypt
If you want to see what command each tool uses, just right click it on top menu and add it to desktop, and look it's properties, and after that delete desktop shortcut.
6. I just use Root Terminal. Another option is to use "su -" as normal user, but then gedit as root doesn't, so I don't use it often.
7. I have these added to sources.list:
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# Skype
deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
# Debian experimental: FileZilla
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib
UPDATE: Don't do this: (If you need newer wine, you could add it's newer ubuntu repos from www.winehq.org , winehq:s debian repos don't have newest version.) Yes there's new version in debian testing repos. |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 11:48 AM
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7. Parsix uses it's own version of kernel, that includes support for more that 4GB of RAM in i386 version too, virtualbox-ose kernel modules, etc lots more.
The testing versions of CUPS and Gnome are stable in use at least on my AMD Sempron laptop. |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 12:27 PM
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| Wine-1.0-rc1 is available on Viola repositories. Please do not install anything from Ubuntu repositories. This may brake your system. |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 01:55 PM
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1. pm-utils support several back ends including TuxOnIce.
Still, i pointed this out in an earlier thread. You need to actually invoke pm-suspend youself, unless you add support for that in /usr/lib/hal/scripts/hal-system-power-suspend, which is the HAL script that is executed when you suspend from, say gnome-power-manager (logout -> suspend).
http://www.parsix.org/html/PNphpBB2-vie ... t-219.html |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 02:20 PM
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| There seems to be a lingering misconception that Ubuntu and its derivatives are binary compatible with Debian. That's not correct. Ubuntu is a fork of Debian and really only resembles it by use of the Apt package management system and DEB files. There are some strong opinions that improvements made to Debian packages by the Ubuntu development community are seldom folded back into Debian, but I won't comment one way or the other on this point. While it is often possible to use Debian packages on Ubuntu based systems, the inverse is not true. Ubuntu packages can break Parsix. Be wary of installing even seemingly innocuous packages that are intended for Ubuntu based systems. |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 03:34 PM
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That depends if there is Debian package available. For example Truecrypt download page has packages only for Ubuntu. Do you know if Debian package is available somewhere? But anyway that Ubuntu package works fine on Parsix too.
http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
Another one that I'd be interested is Vodafone Mobile Connect Card driver:
https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/?group_id=12
I'm interested about that Vodafone driver because I'll try to get sometime working Huawei E220 USB 3G modem. Someone had it working on Ubuntu Feisty, but when I tried it with Hardy it installed fine but didn't connect to Internet correctly. I got other problems too with Hardy and Fedora 9 beta (E220 didn't connect to Internet there too) so I'm using Parsix where most things work.
Another option to get Huawei E220 working is to add two kernel options mentioned on below, and it worked once some months ago, but not after that. Some notes about that are at my webpage:
http://lauri.ojansivu.googlepages.com/p ... B_3G_modem
Alan, could you add these options to Parsix kernel to support Huawei E220?:
Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Serial Converter support ->
* USB Serial Converter support (CONFIG_USB_SERIAL)
* USB driver for GSM and CDMA modems (CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION)
(.... I'm not so sure about my own compiling skills, for example when I tried to compile webcam driver and virtualbox kernel module I got compiling errors, but Alan could easily add them to default Parsix kernel.) |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 05:08 PM
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Alan, could you add these options to Parsix kernel to support Huawei E220?:
Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Serial Converter support ->
* USB Serial Converter support (CONFIG_USB_SERIAL)
* USB driver for GSM and CDMA modems (CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION)
These devices are supported since early 2.6.24 based Parsix kernels. Because here in Vienna, several ISPs offer mobile Internet over CDMA modems. |
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Posted: May 19, 2008 - 05:50 PM
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Cool  Thanks |
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Posted: May 20, 2008 - 10:26 PM
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