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| free and not working fully, or works out of the box? |
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lawmanuk
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Post subject: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
 Posted: Apr 21, 2009 - 11:29 PM
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Hi,
I used to use parsix 1.5 for its speed, but left due to bugs and constant need for tinkering. Just checked out version 2, and sadly many issues still remain as before:
machine = dell optiplex gx620 dual core 64bit. 2gig ram. 3ghz speed.
installed = parsix 2.0 64bit.
1. youtube in iceweasel. - only works 5% of the time. other video sites don't work at all, including google video. (works as standard in pclos, mint, puppy, pcbsd)
2. sound. my logitech usb headset doesn't work, even though recognised and set in preferences. (works after setting preferences in pclos, mint, puppy and automagically in pcbsd)
3. openoffice. still with 2.4 after 3 was released so long ago and needed for opening ms-office 2007 files. standard in so many distros now.
4. network. can't access my buffalo linkstation network drive via windows workgroup. works perfectly when using windows os, but for some reason doesn't show up in any linux distro. can access using http or ftp only in linux.
5. network applet - still not installed as standard. network still does not auto configure without going into system/apps/network even for a wired network.
6. free software. still a preference for free software such as virtualbox ose over fully working software to benefit users such as virtualbox with full usb support. dreamlinux have a fair halfway house, by installing only the free stuff; but having simple wizards for simple users like me to update the system to a fully working system with the best software for the job regardless of free or not. users just need things to work!
7. still no separate /home directory as standard. requires tinkering.
I'm sure the above can all be fixed with, but i'm fed up with distros that don't just work out of the box. An easy life is all I ask for, so will have to revisit parsix on v3. |
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Post subject: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 22, 2009 - 01:03 AM
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Joined: Feb 19, 2008
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I'm sorry you're not satisfied with Parsix GNU/Linux. Unfortunately, I don't share your sentiments about many of the issues you cited. Most of your problems are easily solved, albeit with a bit of tinkering.
1. The latest official flash plugin for Linux, both 32 bit and 64 bit are available from Adobe's website. All that's required to install it manually is unzipping a tarball and copying a single *.so file to your ~/.mozilla/plugins directory. Viola! Flash videos play with aplomb!
2. I don't use USB headsets so I can't say whether or not this issue is easily fixed.
3. The latest DEBs for OpenOffice.org are available from OpenOffice.org's website. Uninstall all references to openoffice in Synaptic package manager. Then, as before, you simply download the tarball for the latest version of OpenOffice.org, unzip it, and then issue the command dpkg -i *.deb within a terminal spawned from the resulting directory containing all the deb files. Install the desktop integration DEB in a separate directory and you're finished. Enjoy the latest Openoffice.org
4. This is a problem with your specific network installation. I'm running a Windows NT style Domain on a Parsix server and I have no problem accessing "Windows" shares from any of my mixed OS computers, or accessing my router from my Parsix (or Windows) workstations.
5. Install Network Manager - it's in the repos. This is the same applet used by Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, SLED 11, and countless others. Very easy and powerful network management.
6. You're not going to get people to agree on whether or not to include the propietary software. License restrictions do not permit the "full working versions" to be distributed. But, as I've stated earlier...it IS relatively simple to download these and install them yourself. Virtualbox, for example, provides a DEB for the latest version. How much easier could it be?
7. I agree with you on this one! There should be an option in the installer to partition the disk any which way the user likes.
Finally, NO distribution is perfect. Neither are Windows or Macintosh OSX. Due to the huge array of disparate hardware configurations, no one distro is going to work perfectly on every permutation of hardware. Sorry, that's the hard truth. But, due to the fact that we Linux users have upwards of 600 distributions to choose from, whereas our Windows and OSX using friends are stuck with what they're given, you can pick what works for you! Good luck. We hope to see you here again very soon. |
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nVidia GeForce 9400 GT w 512 MB DDR2
Parsix GNU/Linux (built from Debian Testing and a dash of Sid)
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Post subject: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 22, 2009 - 11:44 AM
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Developer
Joined: Jan 25, 2005
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| Good news that /home partition and ext4 support is included in 0.90.x series of parsix-installer. I'm not done yet, once finished, will create an experimental ISO with 2.6.29 kernel for who wants to test and help debugging it. |
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Post subject: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 22, 2009 - 01:47 PM
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That is great! I'm ready to test it.
Thanks! By the way, alan.  |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 23, 2009 - 09:24 PM
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cmost wrote:
I'm sorry you're not satisfied with Parsix GNU/Linux. Unfortunately, I don't share your sentiments about many of the issues you cited. Most of your problems are easily solved, albeit with a bit of tinkering.
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6. You're not going to get people to agree on whether or not to include the propietary software. License restrictions do not permit the "full working versions" to be distributed. But, as I've stated earlier...it IS relatively simple to download these and install them yourself. Virtualbox, for example, provides a DEB for the latest version. How much easier could it be?
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Cmost - while I do appreciate all of your efforts and Parsix is still an excellent distro - my point was that all of these very minor issues still require tinkering to get them working; whereas in many other distro they work out of the box.
In truth, as all of these issues were raised last year through this forum, there was no reason why the small tinkerings weren't included in v2 out of the box.
A user really does just want things to work. As such, on point 6, although you say nobody will agree, the poll suggests that the few that have voted have all favoured software that works, to that which doesn't.
Thanks again. |
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Post subject: Re: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 23, 2009 - 10:58 PM
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lawmanuk wrote:
7. still no separate /home directory as standard. requires tinkering
No, no, no way !
Yes a /home directory as an option but please, not as standard |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: Apr 24, 2009 - 08:51 AM
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lawmanuk wrote:
A user really does just want things to work. As such, on point 6, although you say nobody will agree, the poll suggests that the few that have voted have all favoured software that works, to that which doesn't.
Thanks again.
Okay, well I for one misunderstood your poll, and so perhaps others did too. I thought you meant to ask: "Does Parsix work for you out of the box, no headaches?" versus "Parsix requires tinkering." For me, Parsix works out of the box and so that's how I voted. Oops. The minor tinkering I have had to do to address some of the various issues you listed took very little time and effort on my part and I'm quite happy with Parsix.
Finally, what I meant to convey when I said that "You're not going to get people to agree on whether or not to include the proprietary software." is just that! There are purists who insist Linux be completely free of binary blobs of any kind. Then there are people like you who think it's perfectly okay to include such blobs as nvidia, ATI drivers, codecs, etc. Finally, there are the software proprietors who restrict (prevent) free distribution of their software altogether. The best you can hope for is a easy solution like the now defunct Automatix program that automatically fetches proprietary programs like GoogleEarth, Picasa, VirtualBox, Adobe Flash, etc. for you and then installs them (often screwing up your system in the process.) Hey, nothing is perfect! No offense, but you seem to want a distribution that practically does everything for you. Have you tried Ubuntu lately? There's a new version out today. Ubuntu sugar coats Linux unlike any other distribution I've come across. Of course that has negatives too; especially if you're a power user. Have you looked at Fedora in conjunction with such user scripts like "EasyLife" (http://easylifeproject.org/) or AutoTen (http://www.dnmouse.org/autoten.html)? Fedora is powerful but will do some hand holding too. Perhaps Parsix simply isn't for you.  At least not yet as it's always getting better. It's okay, use what works!! Enjoy! |
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+
4096 MB DDR 400MHz RAM
nVidia GeForce 9400 GT w 512 MB DDR2
Parsix GNU/Linux (built from Debian Testing and a dash of Sid)
Kernel 2.6.29 amd64
Compiz-Fusion Git
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Return to Parsix 2 - then out again
Posted: May 04, 2009 - 11:56 PM
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Expecting anything to work 100% on any random piece of hardware is simply a daydream.
No linux distribution I have tried - and I've tried about 90% of those available, I guess - has worked 100% out of the box. Neither does any version of Windows. Getting Windows to work 100% can take a full day. Keeping it working once you get online seems impossible
That said, Parsix is the closest to being 100% of all the distros I've used.
I don't mind making a few tweaks if it gets me something stable and reliable. |
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Posted: May 05, 2009 - 07:00 AM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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Location: Thetford UK
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IRV wrote:
That said, Parsix is the closest to being 100% of all the distros I've used.
I don't mind making a few tweaks if it gets me something stable and reliable.
I must second that Parsix may not be cutting edge like Arch Linux and some others. What you do get is the latest stable Gnome desktop and the most upto date Stable applications,
As for Open office 3 I upgraded from the Mepis repo no need to remove the old version guess what no problem with dark themes and its stable. Arch may have been using 003 for over 6 months but its still not stable.nor are numerous other applications. as the devs say Arch is diy and its up to you to make it work. Parsix is very user friendly and for the most part very stable
This is not a dig at Arch Linux as I use it and will carry on using it. more a testimony for Parsix as I use Parsix as my choice of operating system over all others. |
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Parsix running AMD 6000 x2 64bt, Asus mother board 8gb ram, Nvidia graphic card 1gb unboard ram, Plextor PX760, EPSON R300, 2x 500gb sata+2x 500gb usb Hardrive, Netgear, 19" DELL monitor 1600X1200 X 75hz Resolution
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Posted: May 09, 2009 - 09:25 PM
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Parsix Lover
Joined: Aug 09, 2008
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okay, just got another low end laptop - emachines d620, and after trying several distros the fastest seem to be knoppix and parsix 64bit both with lxde.
why do the windows lose the maximise row when turning compiz on?
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st0.0pidn0.0bie
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Posted: May 10, 2009 - 06:37 AM
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Joined: Jun 26, 2008
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i had this happen before an an old gateway craptop.
try Alt+F2 and type
emerald --replace |
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lawmanuk
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Posted: May 17, 2009 - 03:37 AM
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Parsix Lover
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tried it - after login, got error:
(emerald-3109): gtk-warning **: cannot open display
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Posted: May 17, 2009 - 07:14 AM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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Location: Thetford UK
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Have you checked that window decorations are switched on in Compiz-manager
What is the graphics card you are using check it really is compatible People using all distros seem to be getting this problem the forums are full of it.
Type Emerald in Synaptic and check everything is installed
All I say is I have good ram with my graphics card and unlike most it does not steal any system ram so I can use all Compiz effects to their max with no problems. |
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