Parsix GNU/Linux
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molom - Jul 05, 2008 - 11:21 PM
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After the Viola second and third release, I think the distro can attract a larger crowed if you consider these suggestions, it can bring much of the ubuntu users to come and use Parsix instead.
Here is the list:
- Include LSI software - tuxsoftware.com (Very newbie friendly way to install software) (Least important thing)
- Make a more consistent theme - I noticed many people complained on Parsix reviews (even though its childish) about the theme and icon theme used, they complained about how the orange didn't mix with the blue or green, and the human icon theme is a ripoff of the ubuntu icon theme, maybe changing even the logo to a different unique colour might achieve this (Maybe dark green or blue). A lighter theme is far more easier to maintain (Had some text colour problems for example the categories in the gnome control center)
- Wireless annoyances - I did hear it was unachievable at this stage, but if you (Alan 
) manage to discard the parsix network configuration tool and only use the gnome standard one, that will cause newbies not to give up as often. I got ticked off at it
- Installation - Maybe including the same installer as the ubuntu one will make it nicer ( I think the parsix installer is not the same, can't remember )
- Unneeded software - Some software is just not necessary to the average user for example IRC, xsane some few more. Maybe switching gthumb to EOG l and switching to banshee once stable may attract more people as well.
- The persian settings - This completely kills unaware users, people think (Including me before) that this distro is for Persian people, you could relate it to Persia, but maybe including two editions might fix it. An English edition (Without that persian shortcut and selection in the keyboard settings) and a Persian edition (Has persian as the default language). I don't have anything against Iran, its just something that puts off unaware users.
- Bootsplash - Stupid thing right , but its what some people like, its what makes a distro seem more professional.
- CPU freq - I noticed that there are some modules at the top showing CPU freq or something, just remove them from the top panel and leave them in the list where you can add, makes Parsix look unfriendly.
- Window Selector - Noticed there was a window selector at the top right corner of the top panel, I find this unnecessary, you have a task bar at the bottom. If there is a use for it, can someone tell me?
- A nice Parsix set out utility - Maybe placing a utility in the installation asking whether you want the gnome default layout (2 panels using the gnome main menu) or a Windows-like layout (1 panel at the bottom, which uses the Ubuntu System Panel Menu (USP)). This will make Parsix unique because no distro gives a utility like this and it will appeal to Windows users more.
External things
- A slogan - Maybe instead of placing GNU/Linux under the Parsix logo, maybe its more appealing having a slogan, I don't know, maybe 'The Beauty of Debian' or something.
- Web design - A definate put off for some people, nice concept, but I don't know how many times I couldn't find the forums button, maybe placing all links on the left side panel will help
- Forums - Everything is everywhere, place categories such as the ones found here ( http://cafelinux.org/forum/ ), support, ideas, artwork, etc.
If these suggestions are taken into consideration, people will start to change, I know it. Debian is faster and a rolling distro, which will make users want to use Parsix opposed to Ubuntu. I will add to the list if I think of anything else. Please think about these ideas, they will pay off and they are not that hard to do.
What do other people think of this list?
pelle.k - Jul 06, 2008 - 01:30 AM
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- Make a more consistent theme - I noticed many people complained on Parsix reviews (even though its childish) about the theme and icon theme used, they complained about how the orange didn't mix with the blue or green, and the human icon theme is a ripoff of the ubuntu icon theme, maybe changing even the logo to a different unique colour might achieve this (Maybe dark green or blue). A lighter theme is far more easier to maintain (Had some text colour problems for example the categories in the gnome control center)
I'm not very fond of the dark colors, and the window decorations (in particular), so yes i agree.
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- Wireless annoyances - I did hear it was unachievable at this stage, but if you (Alan Wink ) manage to discard the parsix network configuration tool and only use the gnome standard one, that will cause newbies not to give up as often. I got ticked off at it Wink
There is no "gnome standard one", however i like the way it's set up in ubuntu, with the "network" settings module where you can choose a connection to be on/off/roaming, "roamin" meaning network manager really. However, i don't like wired internet to be "roaming" by default.
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- Unneeded software - Some software is just not necessary to the average user for example IRC, xsane some few more. Maybe switching gthumb to EOG l and switching to banshee once stable may attract more people as wel.
I'm not fond of unnecessary software as well, but i think parsix is rather slim as it is. I would go with totem instead of vlc, but each to his own. Oh, and gnash isn't that impressive either
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- Bootsplash - Stupid thing right Wink , but its what some people like, its what makes a distro seem more professional.
I can certainly live without it. However, it would be a nice addition. usplash?
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- CPU freq - I noticed that there are some modules at the top showing CPU freq or something, just remove them from the top panel and leave them in the list where you can add, makes Parsix look unfriendly.
- Window Selector - Noticed there was a window selector at the top right corner of the top panel, I find this unnecessary, you have a task bar at the bottom. If there is a use for it, can someone tell me?
- A nice Parsix set out utility - Maybe placing a utility in the installation asking whether you want the gnome default layout (2 panels using the gnome main menu) or a Windows-like layout (1 panel at the bottom, which uses the Ubuntu System Panel Menu (USP)). This will make Parsix unique because no distro gives a utility like this and it will appeal to Windows users more.
I'm not very fond of the extra applets that are standard in viola, but i'm not very fond of your ideas either. I prefer a vanilla gnome, with only some slight themeing (clearlooks human being a favourite). Something clearlooks, anyway.
That said, i don't really care for luring n00bs to parsix, but i am not against improving the experience in general
blix - Jul 06, 2008 - 03:13 AM
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Most of the issues that molom is pointing to are worth thinking except Bootsplash which IMO is stupid.
And is Parsix interested in attracting more users, specially "unaware users"?
mandog - Jul 06, 2008 - 04:07 AM
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Welcome Molam
I see you are trying to change the world LOL, Parsix is not a Ubuntu look alike, and never will be its a very professional distro based on Debian. You must remember this is a Iranian Distro and about culture the theme are relevant to that culture, as is Pardus, Litrix, Sabylon. etc,etc. I come from the UK. We are totally multicultural and always respect that. The installer is simple and very fast one could say its more Windows, than most as is Sidux in the fact it defaults to a single partition, but the is good documentation to change it. and its so easy to copy paste the home partition to back up.
The layout is the personal choice of the devs. I personally like Conky but thats my personal choice. Anything can be changed
I prefer the standard gnome 2 bar desktop When ever I Install Mint I change it back to 2 bar and get rid of that stupid mint menu and use the default, but thats me I like gnome and don't want to fart about with a backward very slow menu.
I also use my computer for working on not just play so Xsane set up as default For me is good
Cinlerra, is just a couple of clicks away and works perfect that is my most critical application, I don't use any distro that Cinelerra is not stable without spending hrs trying in vain to get it stable. That narrows the list down of what I call stable distros.
I also think The Ubuntu route is bad for parsix I would like it to go more Sidux with Gnome instead of KDE.
But thats my thoughts Parsix is Parsix not any other wanaby.
molom - Jul 06, 2008 - 04:17 AM
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Thanks for everyone's opinions, this is the part of helping out I love, I like to hear the fact that some people agree with certain things and some hate other things, which makes it far more easier to know what to remove or add.
I understand about this not caring about unaware users. But my point is if we bring in a bigger crowd, we can lure more people into helping, suggesting and the most important people helping with development. There would also be more donations (In general), which will help out with some few things.
Ok I will cross out the things that aren't wanted and are stupid - Bye Bye bootsplash and tuxsoftware 
I think we've thought of enough, Alan is the developer, not me and he's the master and the one who decides
If there's anything just post it 
BTW I really like the screensaver, looks a lot better than the gnome feet
blix - Jul 06, 2008 - 04:33 AM
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Unaware users do not help. they just complain. And I don't know if they will donate while they're complaining or not.
molom - Jul 06, 2008 - 04:35 AM
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It might fix up their crying with some of these suggestions and they might not want a dummy afterwards
molom - Jul 06, 2008 - 06:27 AM
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I found a nice theme that can suit the Parsix logo. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/ ... tent=75417
It comes in black or a light clear colour using orange as the main theme colour.
xet7 - Jul 06, 2008 - 01:21 PM
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to molom:
Btw, you changing some text to white color made it hard to read for me, I had to select text with mouse to get colors inverted, so that I could read it. But to the suggestions:
Parsix is very good now, I love it, have used it from beginning of this year, and the first distro that I use daily for work and hobbies. I have also installed it for friend couple that has small business, they make ads to magazines with Inkcape, have free billing software installed, use mobile Internet, and it works great for them.
Parsix does so many things right for me:
- Theme: everybody has a favorite, the theme I use is called Parsix and it is included, Parsix named theme looks something a little like Ubuntu, with very clear buttons. It's very easy to change theme.
- Include/remove software: current selection is great. It's easy to add or remove software.
- VirtualBox: I use it in my work to run some apps in Windows, and it is included and working by default. This is a huge plus, and thanks to Alan for adding it.
- LiveCD, not DVD. My other PC does not have DVD drive.
- Gnome menus: they are good as is, this is not Windows. If you'd like other kind of menus, you can change them easily, as seen in other forum post.
- CPU Freg: I really need this to know when some app is using too much processor time.
- Date and time is fully visible, it's great.
- Changing current app from top menu: nice, I didn't know that, but it uses so small space in screen, it does not need changing.
- Webcam: my webcam works out of the box, Alan added support for it to the default Parsix kernel.
- Wireless: I'm not sure if Parsix specific ones are for supporting different hardware, so I can't comment on that.
- Persian settings: There's English, Finnish and others in LiveCD boot menu, it's fine.
- Webdesing, slogan: It's fine, very clear looking.
- Forum: this one forum is fine, because newest messages are in one place, and main developers reply here, and other users. Try that with bigger distros, heh, if you get reply from main developes.
Here is more care of new users, than in other distros. In this forum is not much traffic, because most things work. If you mean by attracting new users, that forum is flooded with some newbie questions, maybe you have that impression from other distro forums, where most things does not work.
Here are some impressions of other distros, that I had problem with. But remember, that on other hardware, following distros may work correctly. I don't have anything against any distro or any OS, if your Mac/WinXP/Vista/FreeBSD/anything else works great for you, it's good.
-Ubuntu 8.04
On my hardware, /var/logs is filled rapidly with many GB:s of kernel logs because of some kernel bug. I didn't find way to disable it. Some days ago I tried other Ubuntu based distro, that had the same kernel bug. And in Ubuntu 8.04 trackerd and evolution-data-server used 100% of CPU, so I had to kill the processes and uninstall them.
- Fedora 9
I couldn't find way to install all needed apps, could not enable autologin, etc.
- Sidux
LiveCD had some issues that Parsix does not have, I don't remember correctly anymore.
OpenSuse LiveCD did manage to start correctly, but it had different menu layout, some reports on DistroWatch said it used more CPU resources, and I didn't have the time to learn how to get all things working that are now working in Parsix.
Puppy Linux is fine for rescuing files and boots on my computer, but it's not translated so much, and smaller amount of features and software selection compared to Parsix/Debian.
Why I use Parsix? Because:
- Parsix boots and works faster than WinXP (or even slower Vista)
- It's more stable than WinXP
- I can test software that I develop in Linux, and under VirtualBox in WinXP or other OS.
- Actually it's so good and fast, that I forget that I'm using Linux - it fades to background, and can consentrate better to my work.
- As usual in Linux, updates come automatically to most programs.
- No need to defrag or reinstall often like it is in Windows. Actually with newer kernels etc, things get faster.
- If something does not work, it's usually easy to figure out how to fix it.
- If I manage to get all messed up, it's easy to backup files and reinstall Linux, because most hardware drivers and needed software is included with Parsix. It takes much longer to install Windows, drivers, apps etc.
I started using Parsix from beginning of this year. When I had free time, I made a page of tips (like notes to self) how I could get various things working pretty easily:
http://lauri.ojansivu.googlepages.com/parsixlinuxfixes
And I'm in progress of moving them to Parsix wiki:
http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php?mo ... g=HowTosEn
And translating them to Finnish:
http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php?mo ... g=HowtosFi
Parsix is small distro, where one person can make a difference. You can contribute to wiki, or help in forum with other friendly people, or donate.
But how can this one small distro from Iran be so much better than other bigger distros with much more developers? I really don't know.
cmost - Jul 06, 2008 - 02:21 PM
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@xet7 I couldn't agree with you more, on all accounts!
I love Parsix because it has the full power of Debian behind it without making too many decisions for users or insulting their intelligence, not like Ubuntu and its myriad of copycats. One key reason why Ubuntu is no longer binary compatible with Debian (and you can bet this was done on purpose) is because they have insisted on changing things that worked fine; to do things a different way. Does this behavior sound familiar? I always defer to Shaw's principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. Parsix respects a certain level of intelligence and experience in its user base and I for one appreciate that.
As for many of the suggestions made by Molom (which I think are good by the way) keep in mind that you can make any change you want in this system because it's Debian. If you want Network Manager, you can install and configure it. If you want different colors, themes, icons, etc., they're all configurable (check out some of my Parsix themes on Gnome-look.org.) You can even install KDE 4.1 beta if it suits you. Perhaps some of us would do the community some good to write up some detailed howto's for some of these items and if people are interested, they can make their own changes. Ultimately, this is the best way to learn Linux as opposed to a system where everything is done for you. Enjoy Parsix. You've earned it.
mandog - Jul 06, 2008 - 04:15 PM
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@xet7
You say all the things I want to say but can't put into words
I started with Parsix at the end of last year Its probably the best i've used and is my preferred distro, along with Arch, and Sid, they are the only distros that cut the mustard all have been running the same time and all updated any problems are fixed with speed. Sidux has an amazing forum, Arch has a good wiki, Parsix needs to work on these things. Alan does a fantastic job but he is only one man, Parsix needs more people to donate both time and money. The later is not a problem for me, the former is as I'm dyslexic and it take me a long time to write so people including myself can understand.
xet7 - Jul 06, 2008 - 07:42 PM
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I just tested Arch, because I had heard elsewhere good things about it.
Some comments:
- No Finnish language in boot menu
- "LiveCD" does not start to X, like with Gnome or other desktop environment.
- It pauses on USB devices on bootup for some time, much slower that Parsix
- Smaller software selection than Parsix/Debian
So this is like, do much work to get most things working.
On the plus side, in the grub menu is Space Invaders.
Big wiki? Big forum? Talk about information overload. I need something small, simple, and fast.
Other distos have lots to catch up to be on Parsix level. I have so much software (from different Debian repos, some Ubuntu packages, etc) working great with it, and using Parsix has saved me so much time, I'm loving it.
molom - Jul 06, 2008 - 09:04 PM
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I understand where all you guys are coming from. If you guys love the way Parsix is set up, then there's no reason to change it. I will place a [solved] thing on the title. If there was something I would still suggest, its the wireless config. Other than that, its a great distro. I'm using it on a T43 and I believe that Ubuntu couldn't do a better job.
Just to give out my opinion about the panel set out, I'm no Windows fanatic, I'm just a minimalist, I hate using more space up for no reason when a simple Windows set out does the same job.
Cheers,
molom
xet7 - Jul 06, 2008 - 09:34 PM
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molom:
If you need more screen space, just right click top or bottom panel, click properties, and checkmark "Hide automatically".
cmost - Jul 06, 2008 - 09:36 PM
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molom, I could probably help you setup Network Manager (the same applet Ubuntu and Fedora use) in Parsix. It's not really that difficult. As an alternative (and the applet slated for inclusion in Parsix 'Boss Skua;) you could investigate GTKWiFi. This project looks really nice! Let me know. Perhaps we can cobble together a nice howto for others.
pelle.k - Jul 06, 2008 - 11:28 PM
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- No Finnish language in boot menu
- "LiveCD" does not start to X, like with Gnome or other desktop environment.
- It pauses on USB devices on bootup for some time, much slower that Parsix
- Smaller software selection than Parsix/Debian
So this is like, do much work to get most things working.
On the plus side, in the grub menu is Space Invaders.
Big wiki? Big forum? Talk about information overload. I need something small, simple, and fast.
Most arch users would argue that arch is *just* that; small, simple and fast. There's a big difference between easy and simple. By definition actually.
However, the point of arch linux is that there *is* no stock settings. No default DE. Things ran the way they did because you didn't take the time to adjust the settings the way you like it. There's also the AUR if you feel the repos are lacking.
Point taken though. You didn't like it
xet7 - Jul 07, 2008 - 10:56 AM
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Ok, then it's small, easy and fast
Selecting an OS depends for what use it is. I think every OS needs to continue making their disto better, because every OS is needed. With Linux, it so much still depends on hardware which disto works best.
Current OS challenges can be seen on Slashdot article:
- Intel Says to Prepare For "Thousands of Cores"
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl ... 02/1833221
From what someone reads from some blogs, forums or maistream news, one may have some wrong conclusions that:
- Vista is bloated, not much have changed, it's in need of a rewrite, and it's based on DOS
- Mac is the hottest OS currently, and everyone likes it
- Linux is hard to use, not ready for desktop, and not much in use.
Vista:
- It's not based on DOS, that ended when NT came. The reason someone thinks that it's not changed much is that it's not visible. Many subsystems have been modularized, lots of code rewritten multiple times, and there is server core that has only command line interface. Some more about this in Windows Weekly podcast:
http://twit.tv/ww66
- Most complaits about Vista is running it on older or less capable hardware. If it's running slow, you can make it faster with programs like fixit utilities:
http://www.avanquest.com/UK/launch-offe ... _NEWS_0608
- If you can't delete some file from desktop or elsewhere, use KillBox for it:
http://www.killbox.net
- If UAC prompts annoy you, you can disable them, although after some time using computer there will be less prompts, and disabling UAC may make it less secure:
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm
Mac:
- some may think MacOS is great for Open Source coders, but:
-- it's hard to get latest Java and some other stuff working
-- there have been many platform changes, like switching to Intel, stopping MacOS Classic support, PowerPC support will be dropped in 10.6
http://mac.blorge.com/2008/06/04/apple- ... c-osx-106/
-- After dropping PowerPC support, options for those are to continue last PowerPC supported MacOSX (no security patches though), or switch to Linux.
-- all this means lots of changes, and rewriting code (sure some cross-platform code works as always). On the plus side, theres not much need for lots of compatibility code like in Windows, because old code is dropped away quite often.
- it's very advanced OS with many features sure.
Linux:
- Linux kernel is fastest moving software project, and it supports more hardware than any other OS, as seen in following video link. I just hope Mac and Windows have some chance to keep up:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0386548257
- Most supercomputers in the world use Linux, as seen in webpage list:
http://www.top500.org/stats/list/31/osfam
- There is also FLOSS weekly podcast about clusters:
http://twit.tv/floss30
- Many small portable computers are coming to market with Linux, like Ubuntu netbooks:
http://www.canonical.com/netbooks
(there have been some portable computers that have WinXP available, but it's not as fast and power efficient as Linux. I do not know of such a Mac with a real keyboard and small screen.)
- Lots of other software is coming available to Linux
- For my purposes, Parsix Linux is more easily used and updated than Windows
I'm not saying I don't like Arch, I have nothing against it or any OS, I just need a different kind of distro. Every computer user has a favorite OS, desktop theme and background image. And every programmer has a favorite programming language.
I would select different disto or OS if I had different needs:
1. Parsix
- Installs most things automatically, and gets me continue working right away. I need pre-selected working set of default applications installing quickly, do my work, and use my free time contribute Open Source code in different languages, and contribute to Parsix Wiki and Forum.
- With Parsix, usually I can pretty easily figure things out and fix it myself, or Alan can fix it. Sure, if I really need something and there is no replacement, I can use more time to read the source and make changes to fix it, if the code is not hopelessly messed up.
- I have so much programs working so easily, Parsix is the best Linux that I have used.
2. Arch
- if I had more time to compile and install things to get all working. You can see from wiki size etc that there are lots of happy users.
3. OpenSuse
- if I was doing Mono / .Net / VB.NET development
4. Puppy Linux
- When I rescue files, or have old PC with limited resources
5. Knoppix
- I have used it sometimes, but now I use Puppy Linux
6. CentOS
- I have read that it's excellent server distro
7. Mac OS X
- If I was working on newspaper, or needed some other apps that are available only for it. If I need to support that platform with my code, I may buy a Mac sometime.
8. Vista
- It has many more features that XP, and there are some 64bit programs that are only available for Vista X64. If I needed to support that platform, and I could not use VirtualBox or VMware to test it, then I would need to buy Vista X64 PC.
I try to make most of my code cross platform, and Open Source the ones that I can.
mandog - Jul 07, 2008 - 01:39 PM
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xet7
Nice to know someone else feels the same about Parsix, for me it just works.
pelle.k - Jul 07, 2008 - 01:40 PM
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Personally, i think many linux distros just push out new releases, new technology, way too fast. If there was more open source applications available for OSX, would use that. Seriously.
I don't care it costs money, and it's closed source. See, every *single* time i install a new distro i keep hitting new bugs, to the point that i'm almost giving up. I do report bugs when i'm serious with a distro, but it's always like i report 10 bugs, 1 gets fixed, 1 is confirmed and 8 is uncomfirmed. bleh.
Debian stable is nice, however they do the exact opposite of what the rest of the distros do. You may die of old age before they release. Oh, but they've got the latest gtk1!
xet7 - Jul 07, 2008 - 03:17 PM
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For me it's not about money. I have bought hardware and commercial closed source software that works with Linux. I have nothing against closed source, IF the vendor is responsive to bug fix requests, and software works correctly. I nearly daily check when will Bluesoleil bluetooth software come available for buying, so that I can listen podcasts with my Jabra BT620s Bluetooth headset. Currently I'm using mobile phone as Bluetooth MP3 player. With Bluesoleil then:
- I don't need to transfer MP3:s to mobile phone with memory card
- I can speak with Skype with friend without wires, even when I need to go get something that's not near the computer
- I can listen video, OGG, any format - I'm not sure if my mobile phone supports OGG.
- I get good sound quality, that I can't get with BlueZ.
I know it's coming, they just have not released Debian version files yet, there's only eeePC customized version now available:
http://www.bluesoleil.com/products/inde ... oleillinux
It's only problem with closed source is when I'd like to use it, I have some little problem with it, vendor does not fix it, and I can't fix it because I don't have the source. I have been in that situation. The only alternative is to try to find other solution, that maybe isn't such a perfect fit for a problem.
I support Open Source and Linux with my money and my time. I have AMD Sempron laptop with 1GB RAM. Where is MacOS X for my hardware? Where is Vista version that works fast with my hardware? Any OS that's as fast as Parsix?
My hardware works much better in Parsix than in Windows.
molom - Jul 10, 2008 - 03:11 AM
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When it comes to Linux there are a few things that I like about it:
- Many to choose from
- Its free (Truely, I'm sure you guys prefer paying nothing when you have more than three computers that need to be upgraded with software and the OS itself)
- Far stabler than Windows
- Doesn't slow down compared to Windows when installing/removing software
- Especially flexibility (Panels, DE's, WM's etc.)
But there is one thing I don't like and that is an OS not being user friendly. Sure some people do enjoy or want to know Arch and Gentoo, but some people don't want to spend all the time learning how to edit txt files to configure setting like arch or taking the time to install an OS's from scratch (Eg. Debian or others where you select your packages).
You have these Linux fanatics complaining about 'People have to learn more about Linux, you need to learn sudo and blah, blah, blah', people have other things they want to learn about that are easier for people or are more useful. I'll rather put time into learning web design than learning how to configure my settings using arch with txt files.
Thats why I chose Parsix, not as friendly as ubuntu (Some may consider, like me ), but people who are used to computers can get around it, I'm not one of those people that need a Mac. Parsix is faster and stabler, and I would choose that over a bit of user friendliness. Parsix is great, and I suggested some of these things to make it less time consuming and friendlier for some people, but it seems like some people don't seek that user friendliness here, and thats great!
Different people seek different things.
@cmost
Why make a how-to? I don't see the harm in implementing that by default for anyone in the next release, I don't think it will irritate or make parsix unstable. But if there is a reason, I'll look into it
molom - Jul 10, 2008 - 03:13 AM
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@xet7
I can't stand hiding panels, its not me. It was useful though when trying to hide your games from teachers though
mandog - Jul 10, 2008 - 04:48 AM
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I personally Think Parsix is easier than most distros, Its very main stream aimed at people that want a system that works. Nvidia/Ati driver auto setup while installing would be a large asset and attract more users. Or even a script to set up graphic cards like Sidux/Dreamlinux. I can't comment on wireless, but I always forget to configure my network connection till I go to use the net. a miner irritation.
molom - Jul 10, 2008 - 05:58 AM
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The thing I find important about having many users, is that developers can kick in. Its possible for Alan to have other commitments sooner or later and if he drops the project and there are many users or developers, there won't be anyone that would want to take over the project. Alan probably won't leave the project, but there is the possibility. Look at how mepis has completely went downslope after the main developer dropping. More users = more commitment
Btw good points mandog
mandog - Jul 10, 2008 - 06:22 AM
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Molam
You are so right Parsix needs more people to get involved, people need to donate to the project not only money but time, Users need to promote Parsix to others, how many people read the last review of Parsix and how many wrote a comment let alone a positive one. Parsix is a great distro one of the best in my opinion. but to become more popular it needs promoting by all users. And more importantly commitment. Clem answers every review for Mint Personally, Mark Shuttleworth promotes Ubuntu at every opportunity, The Pclinux community and very aggressive with their support for their distro. Dreamliux a new boy on the block so to speak Email all their members new or old to any improvements. The Parsix community needs to do work together get the word out. (But then i'm just a grumpy man!(lol)
molom - Jul 10, 2008 - 06:54 AM
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Thats very true mandog, maybe Parsix could have a team that covers all these things in a very general way. Example, someone can officially answer reviews personally, one can manage artwork, another can manage support (aggressively ) and someone can seek advice from every members and brainstorm. But this needs to be tackled slowly, because we need a bigger community to be able to grab huge attention.